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1 year 1 month ago #44201 by Alan Hutton
Good work there! As I think I said, my car let me down 4times in the past 35years - 1 dirt in carb (Fiat main dealer in Cov soaked the carb overnight to sort that out 34 years ago 2. snapped fan belt. 3. fleck of petrol pipe blocking main jet (after I replaced all pipes and cleaned the carb!) 4. New (less than 2,000miles) coil went short circuit!

I did a lot of research on Weber Carbs and apparently their design is very susceptible to dirt in the float chamber blocking the jets. I second that.
Its a new year and I'm sure that your approach is bound to sort it out.
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1 year 1 month ago #44202 by Andy Rowley
A bit of input from me.
Claire is correct about replacing the fuel lines. Modern fuels now will attack the old rubber and the material will breaks down quicker.
Best to replace with the correct grade rubber.

Also, I would check the filter on the tank (the sock) and make sure that is clear, but also there are no tears in it. If so replace the filter.

If the filter in the tank is doing its job and the new fuel lines have been fitted, then why do you need an inline fuel filter?
i.e. what are you filtering at this point?

In line filters have been known to cause issues with intermittent flow. I am not a fan of them.

Finally: it would be worth checking the flatness of the bottom face of the carb where it fits onto the baseplate.
Any leaks at there can cause issues. I think Ro may have alluded to this in one of the earlier posts?

Cheers,
Andy

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1 year 1 month ago #44205 by Ro
Hello Andy yes I re-faced the surfaces also.

A lot of what I did was belt-and-braces and was generally beneficial.

The sock filter is not as fine as the inline filter and so I would still fit the latter but of a reputable brand.

Ref Alan's comment 4 malfunctions in 35 years is amazing. Most manage 35 malfunctions in 4! Only kidding.
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1 year 1 month ago #44207 by Gareth Lloyd
.....some great input from everyone there!....many thanks to you all.
I've taken the decision to replace the old air filter housing as the inside of it is in quite a sorry state.
I also think that it has massively contributed to clogging up the carb due to the loose coating being drawn in. I've also found what I think feels like small shards of rubber so may be the fuel lines as suggested. (One I only found when I blew through the fuel return and it came out!)
I've ultrasonically bathed the carbs but only had washing up liquid handy. A fair bit of black dirt and residue was left in the tank.
I'm going to repeat the process when my specialist ultrasonic carb detergent arrives.

I've chosen an air filter from Ramair that suits a Weber 34 DATR.
One thing I've noticed that I'm not sure what to do with however.
In the Haynes manual, the technical drawing of the carb doesn't show a "spigot" for pushing a hose onto. (Maybe a Weber 32 is slightly different to 34)
On my carb, (the 34 DATR), there is a brass hose attachment that goes from the side of the carb and up to the underside of the oil breather inlet on the air filter housing.
Can I just leave this now without a hose on it?.....it doesn't say what it is in the Haynes manual but does show it on the exploded view.

Thanks,

Gaz.

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1 year 1 month ago #44208 by ricardo a p roadnight
hi
If its what i think it is the hose, then i fitted a bolt into it to blank it off , if you put your finger over it when the engines running and feel a suction , then thats the same hose as i blanked off , also you will be much better off without the oily fumes from the breather being sucked down the carb , and blocking the tiny air correcters that are in the carb it will now stay cleaner , and i get a lot of my info and tips from david moult on you tube he is def worth a view
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1 year 1 month ago #44209 by Gareth Lloyd
.....thanks Ric.
I've attached a photo of it with the pen pointing to it.
The two above it are obviously the fuel feed and return spigots.
The one I'm pointing to had a short hose that went up underneath the air filter to the main crankcase oil breather inlet on the original air filter housing.
Where the main oil breather hose attaches to the air filter, there is a smaller spigot underneath where it attached.
Again, just want to know if it okay to leave or blank off.

Thanks,

Gaz.

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1 year 1 month ago - 1 year 1 month ago #44211 by ricardo a p roadnight
yes i blanked mine off and it has not affected the running and actually you can maybe help me , i have a set of brand new jets , can you tell me if you look at the carb from the boot and look down the throat , starting from the left there are 4 jets or another way of describing , is a jet , 2 emulsion tubes and a jet can you tell me which are the idle jets and which are the main jets
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1 year 1 month ago #44212 by Gareth Lloyd
Hi Ric,

I basically have removed my jets but kept them in the order they need to go back in.
I did however come across this short video some time ago on Youtube of a guy explaining about which ones are which.

Gaz.

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1 year 1 month ago #44213 by ricardo a p roadnight
great that explains it well

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1 year 1 month ago #44217 by Gareth Lloyd
.....well, the carb has been re-built, bolted on and piped up.
Managed to get it started but had to stop quickly as fuel was coming out everywhere!!
I think I've mis-understood on how to check what should be the correct distances of the float when the needle valve is in the open and closed position.
It looks like it was causing the float bowls to flood/overfill.

One thing I have noticed is that I think my old feed fuel hose was 6mm and not 8mm. I have now fitted an 8mm feed (with fuel filter pointing the correct way!) and a 6mm return. I've noticed that since doing that, the fuel filter is filling a lot more than the old one. The old one with the smaller hose always seemed to be a third full at best.

Anyway, I've detached the top part again and will attempt to calibrate the float using the Haynes manual instructions which seem quite straightforward.

One annoying thing is that somehow, I think I've misplaced the two grub bolts that are countersunk in the top part that go through to the bottom part. (These are visible when you remove the air filter. I was so methodical when disassembling it on the kitchen table laying out all the removed components.
I can't think where to get a couple more?

Gaz.

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1 year 1 month ago #44218 by Ro
Ok that's some progress.

Sorry to hear re the fasteners: try Webcon as previously mentioned if you cannot find them. They will be metric but as to the thread pitch I do not know.

I am not convinced that the person posting the video has the differentiation between primary and secondary jets correct.

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1 year 1 month ago #44219 by ricardo a p roadnight
yes i agree i think he has them wrong in the vid , the videos ive seen the 1st 2 are for the primary and the next 2 are the secondary , and as for the float level there are plenty of good vids on you tube showing how to adjust , and as for fuel filter , im not a fan of the inline plastic filters in a engine bay , it worrys me that they could rupture or melt , i fitted a bosch inline metal filter its for fuel injection , but its actually better having a much more finer filter element and larger so it will prob never need changing for years , see my pic i posted its the large cylinder before the pump , as for the top screws i have them in my weber service kit i bought from webcon ,

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1 year 1 month ago #44220 by Ro
a fibre mesh filter will require a higher pressure to push the fuel through. I gave up on using a fuel-injection type filter for that reason on another carb car with sensitive float valve seats. You can always encase the fuel filter in aluminium foil/dish to deflect heat.

I have not had filters rupture or melt but i have had too much or too little pressure!

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1 year 1 month ago #44221 by Gareth Lloyd
......I'm finding it a little tricky to get the float travel distances correct at the moment.
Going to take a deep breath and tackle it again on Saturday.

Gaz.

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1 year 1 month ago - 1 year 1 month ago #44222 by ricardo a p roadnight
im not disagreeing with you , but i can only say from my experiance my filter works fine with no problems
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