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8 years 6 months ago #38798 by Stuart Parker
Hello all,

I'm new to this website and want to introduce myself, I'm based near Belfast and have just purchased a 1988 x1/9 and loving it!!! But of course it needs a little work. Luckily, its not falling apart from rust holes, quite clean in that front, more electrical silly stuff, rough idle with flat spot during throttle opening, hmms seems like flat spotting between primary and secondary opening under semi quick throttle application.

My distributor is Marelli but also has a vacuum advance unit on the side which is not connected to anything?? Is this dizzy incorrect?

Do you time up from #1 or #4 which has been mentioned?? whats the reasoning behind that?

would like to put a K&N filter on, but do the rectangular K&Ns that sit directly on the carb top have a means to plumb in PCV hose and smaller hose from carb. Or do i go for a filter that I can place nearer the cool air duct??

Anyone have any heads up on jet sizes to replace my standard sizes for a little performance?

Where can I source a good performance exhaust complete, manifold and muffler?? I read somewhere CSC exhaust was an ill fit and not all that good??

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8 years 6 months ago #38799 by Martin Rutter
Hi and welcome. Travelling at the moment so can't answer all your questions at the moment. However, try and get in touch with Gordon Fogarty who has a hillclimb and road X1/9 in NI. He could be a great help to you . He is sometimes on this site but I could put you in touch if you can't find him. Cheers Martin
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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #38802 by Andy Rowley
Hi Stuart and welcome to the wonderful world of X1/9 ownership!

The later X1/9s - Gran Finale and SE were generally fitted with Marelli distributors. I would have to look at mine to confirm the vacuum advance.

I have fitted a K&N filter to my car. They will fit directly on top of the carb. Also, while doing this you can upgrade the jet sizes.
Eurosport (who advertise in the club mag) www.eurosport-uk.net/shop/ have the jets available and possibly also supply the K&N.
Also D G Rally are a good supply of spares. www.ekmpowershop18.com/ekmps/shops/dgrally/

When fitting the K&N I have opted for a separate breather filter. I will attach some pictures later of my set up.

Quite a number of members have gone for a CSC exhaust. However, there are fit up problems and they are loud at high speed over a distance i.e. motorway driving.
Personally I would either go for a custom stainless or retain the original exhaust, which isn't far off ideal.
However, others may have a different opinion.

For the timing; if it is running ok, I would try a dwell meter. Connect it up and with the later Marelli points you can adjust it with an allen key to get the optimum setting.

As Martin said; Gordon Fogarty is based in NI and would be good to talk to.
Cheers

Andy

Blue Gran Finale F100FAW
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8 years 6 months ago #38807 by Stuart Parker
Hi Andy,

Thanks and Yes, any details and pics you can provide would be great, my dizzy is S178 type with vac on the side, vac hose missing for whatever reason. Was thinking the CSC but maybe if its too loud during a motrway drive would be annoying, and fitting issues would frustrate me. i need to research that more

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the heads up on Gordan, I will see if I can find hi, for a local chat

Stu

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8 years 6 months ago #38808 by Andy Rowley
Hi Stuart,

A couple of pictures, one showing the K&N filter and breather hose filter and the other a picture (as best i can at the moment) of my distributor.

Cheers

Andy


Blue Gran Finale F100FAW
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8 years 6 months ago #38809 by Stuart Parker
Right, looks like your dizzy just has a cover in the same place where I have a defunct vac capsule, and your K&N looks grand with separate crankcase breather! spot on, think I will do the same.

I've pulled my dizzy out, have noticed different springs on the weights underneath, one spring fits perfectly, the other is just a touch bigger, just like a secondary choke, that bit of a heavier spring and play on its location, as if it only comes in after initail movement of the weights outward?? Have you ever seen that before or has someone just replaced that spring with something more heavy?

Any advice on the K&N fitment wise? and what does she sound like :-)

I will get pics sorted soon as that always helps

Stu

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8 years 5 months ago #38812 by Andy Rowley
Hi Stuart,

It would be good to have a picture of your distributor then we can identify what it's all about.

Regarding the K&N filter; it doesn't give you much more performance, for me it is preference in terms of appearance and access to the engine bay.
The fitment is fairly straight forward. I will try and get a picture of the filter with the top off showing the fit up over the weekend.
For the breather filter I made a small bracket to attach it to rather than it waving about loose in the engine bay.
The carb cooling fan ducting then needs to be secured as well. I just use a cable tie (saviour of the world!) to hold mine in place.

Another option could be to get a K&N filter to fit in the standard filter housing. They are available and possibly give slightly better performance in terms of the inlet can be directed to pull in cooler air from the side air scoops.
Also, you wouldn't need to worry about the breather filter either...

As always, it's your car and you can decide what you do with it :)

Cheers

Andy

Blue Gran Finale F100FAW
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As seen in Auto Italia.....
As seen on Fifth Gear....!!!!
Lido ALF 704S

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8 years 5 months ago #38815 by Stuart Parker
The story with mine so far, learning fast. Want to cure this rough running, flat spotting engine state of tune. Carb out, awaiting kit, and different jets.
New filter on its way, flexi fuel hose a worry, will change out, dizzy out and inspected, the bottom dizzy in pic is a GM unit, just checking its springs

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8 years 5 months ago #38823 by Stuart Parker
Parts starting to arrive

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8 years 5 months ago #38830 by Speedy Fiat
I would recommend putting the car on a rolling road as this is the best way of getting the ignition and fuel system (carb jetting) working to the best efficiency. A good operator will be able to pin point all sorts of ignition, fueling faults and even piston and valve wear if they do a leak down test. If the car is in reasonable tune then an hour should sort it out (less than £100), much more time than that and your car has some serious issues. While many consider it a rather expensive exercise you probably only need to do it once and then will be certain that all is as it should be, your car will very likely be running much smoother with a bit more performance and you'll have a good base line to refer to in the future . Alternatively they may have discovered a list of faults in the fuel, engine and ignition system that you need to fix, either way its a positive result.
If you are thinking of a rolling road session make sure the garage has lots of experiences with carbs, as this sort of knowledge is specialist stuff these days
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8 years 5 months ago - 8 years 5 months ago #38831 by Andy Rowley
A rolling road session would be a good investment.

The mentioning of fuel lines reminded me that it is important to get them replaced if they are the original braided type.

You need to check the grading of fuel lines carefully. Modern unleaded fuels and their additives can attack certain grades of fuel line and especially older fuel line rubber.
The standard for fuel hose is SAE J30 followed by a R number. You can check this out on the web.
You will need the number to be at least R6 but probably R9 to be safe.

Cheers

Andy

Blue Gran Finale F100FAW
As seen in Classic & Sports car....
As seen in Auto Italia.....
As seen on Fifth Gear....!!!!
Lido ALF 704S
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8 years 5 months ago #38835 by Martin Styles
Your distributer sounds like it's not an X1/9 one, exxys never had vacuum advance to my knowledge. However one loose spring and one contacting spring is normal as that gives the right characteristics for mechanical advance. It's possible that someone has fitted a distibuter from another Fiat model and put the X1/9 advance springs onto it (I did that when fitting a Uno electronic distributer), it's hard to tell - I would leave as it is for now and look for other problems.

The flat spot you mention is something I have experienced and I was able to cure it by cleaning the carburettor out completely with cellulose thinners; soaking it overnight. Carb cleaner was not strong enough to dissolve the deposits in the carb drillings. You'll probably find you'll need to play with the idle mixture settings too but as long as you start from a known position and work methodically you should be able to find the optimum settings (wind the screw all the way in, counting the turns, until it stops - then wind it out again and try different settings) . One other major thing is to use super unleaded fuel; no ethanol and no varnish when the fuel evaporates; plus lower volatility - much better suited to a carburettor.

I'm not a fan of K+N filters; you can achieve much the same effect (better sound) by cutting off the original airbox restrictive venturi inlet. The main disadvantage of a K+N on top of the engine is that you'll suck in hotter air and loose engine power - it's no accident that the standard inlet is positioned lower and pointing towards one of the side air intakes.
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8 years 5 months ago #38897 by Stuart Parker
Ok, so far, carb strip and rebuild, had to use original float as new one in kit just didn't measure right to setup height, top gasket split, renewed pump jet, replaced both aux venturi's as slop in both, increased main jet sizes, auto choke stripped which was blocked with glunged up. Baseplate split, ordered 2nd hand replacemment which then turned up split to. So used nimbus heat shield to make new baseplate.

Dizzy stripped, weights cleaned and lubricated, springs tidied up on posts, points cleaned and reset, reset ignition timing to #4 cylinder

Dynamic timing set to 7deg BTDC, CO set to about 2.5, K&N fitted which need some tailoring to fit correctly. K&N style cone filter to PCV breather.

New fuel hoses fitted, new run of carb fan ducting to carb base

Engine now runs really sweet, no flat spots on accel, no misfire on upper rpm band, startup up on auto choke now smoother. Engine performance clean with no hiccups. Must have spent £160 on bits and about 20 hours spanner time

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8 years 5 months ago #38898 by Stuart Parker
Full carb strip, clean, flatten of surfaces and refit with new seals etc is within a competent tinker's ability. I have haynes X1/9 manual plus a weber DATR manual. Haynes manual good for carb setup but not correct for ignition timing setup. !500 engines as I have discovered are set to #4 cylinder at TDC, this will align pulley marks correctly, double check on flywheel TDC mark. If your precise with a feeler blade then points can be accurately set without need for hooking up dwell meter. However a decent timing light a must along with a CO meter to zero in idle mixture settings, mine set at 2.5 %, but think I could maybe re-size my primary idle jet. Would like to try out air correctors as research has led me to believe fuel mpg can be improved for cruise motorway driving. As dizzy has no cruise vac capsule then maybe some efficiency can be clawed back with mixture tweaking on air correction. Will order, try and post findings. Loving the improved engine performance delivery, ok it aint saturn 5, but it is smooth and free of hiccups. Engine comes into its own on the B-roads now which it wasn't before home strip.

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